In other words, women at the same time lack agency completely AND are the only persons with agency who can produce real change.
Sounds schizophrenic, doesn't it? Like much of what passes for deep right wing commentary on the internet, actually, if you think of it.
Historically speaking, women have always been viewed as more passive and thus having less agency than men (but not totally lacking it, otherwise they couldn't be held responsible for any crime), and by the same principle, men were viewed as the guardians of society, not women, as the s8x which is more active, aggressive, and thus having more agency.
And if women have less agency, you can hardly blame them for all of the world's problems. Some time ago I did a series of historical articles about some 19th century personalities who fought and sometimes died for the new liberal world order, and guess what? They were all men. In every war and revolution, men are always the primary agents with women filling supportive roles, and those internet warriors expecting women to fight their battles for them against the said order, are well, delusional.
The funny thing is that many of the ardent antifeminists online espouse some variant of libertarian philosophy and have a deep-seated distrust of all authority, yet seem to think that women should obey them unconditionally. It just doesn't work this way. First, here is some news for you, guys: Anglo-libertarianism has never been a tradition in continental Europe or other parts of the world, it's something which the victors of the last war forced upon most countries. For thousands of years, tradition in the West didn't mean "limited government" and "human rights", but rather "blood and soil" and "throne and altar", liberalism and later libertarianism were the result of the Enlightenment.
Also, "rugged individualism" isn't necessarily "right-wing", and not all collective action is wicked communism, either. In fact, there are many countries in the world with a very weak central government, like Somalia or Afghanistan, and yet keyboard libertarians never want to move there, by some reason.
Well, how does it tie to women's question, you'll ask? Simply this: too many of self-professing online antifeminists apparently dream of something like Little House on the Prairie situation, with the nuclear family totally isolated in the wilderness with the wife and kids totally depending on the good will of the father (who doesn't have to be legally married to the mother of his children
So the woman is totally subjected to the man, who lives in some sort of libertarian paradise. Well, it may sound appealing, but it's hardly traditional. Every community had distinctions between legal marriage, concubinage and just sleeping around. It was Catholic (and later, national) churches which kept records of legal marriages, which were very important since bastards couldn't inherit. In fact, my husband was able to trace his family genealogy to 1400s and guess what? All his ancestors were legally married with church records proving it.
Married couples lived in communities with extended family often near by, and ready to jump in when a conflict arose, with parishioners and neighbours nosing around and laws protecting the vulnerable. Married women always had rights, not only duties and their role as mothers and housewives was viewed as important and revered in society.
You see, the key point is "society" and "community", something which most libertarians have no use for. Do whatever thou will seems to be a leading principle for many, yet this principle comes out of satanism, not Christianity. Feminism didn't arise on its own, because one day women just decided to rebel against their menfolk, it's a part of a much bigger rebellion against authority and God's order. You can't fight feminism while promoting rebellion on other fronts.
That is not to say that we should always automatically obey authorities, even when they are issuing wicked and unjust decrees. There is place for things like civil disobedience, protests etc but the general attitude of rebellion isn't an exception nowadays, but rather the rule. And, as I have mentioned earlier, the same people who deeply mistrust any authority (especially church authorities because
There is another trend online of constantly blaming working mothers for working. Yes, in an ideal situation, the wife and mother shouldn't work, but many women who work nowadays do it not because of general wickedness but because their husbands fully encourage and sometimes demand it, because of the general acceptance of the bugman consumerist lifestyle with its unending demands, and especially because some are in a fragile economic situation. In fact, those who are pro-family shouldn't favour economic libertarianism, but vice versa, a society which offers more protection to those less fortunate.
I know that my country does it, that's why I'm freer with my criticism but it's not the same everywhere. You hardly can blame all working women for the way the neoliberal system functions and constantly droning on how evil all those working mothers are while not trying to reform the system built on usury and debt is hardly helpful. To sum it up, if your life s*cks, it's not always because some woman is trying to get you. Instead of trying to change
Well said! Perhaps I'll say more after coffee...ReplyDelete
Glad you liked it:)ReplyDelete
I am really surprised this didn't generate more conversation!ReplyDelete
I'm an American, and as such I have an affinity for the idea of a less intrusive central government. I think federalism as imagined by our founding fathers, with power in tiers where those closest to the people are more influential than those farthest away is the best way.
I'm not a libertarian, though I fancied myself one 10 years ago before I became better informed. It only works -in principle- during times of plenty, which means it wouldn't work now, LOL!
As for blaming women, thank you for saying this. Women can be horrid, 'tis true. I am very anti-feminist, but I've always contended that men hold the reigns of power in our political institutions. It's true now, and it was even MORE true back when the statutes which overthrew the natural order were enacted into law.
If it's true that said men were manipulated by their wives for fear they would be deprived sex, as I have read, well that says more about the men than the women doesn't it?
Elspeth, I guess folks nowadays have other things on their minds to worry about...ReplyDelete
I agree about the government not being too intrusive, btw, but imo many people nowadays have rather romantic ideas about the past, based more on books like LOTR (where you remember Shire had basically no government at all) than reality.
Take, for instance the issue of quarantines which brings so many heated emotions. Yes, I understand people lose their livelihoods and I sympathise. We are hard hit, too, I'm blessed that my husband still has a job, but on the other hand, we have safety nets and our government promised help to businesses and persons who suffer from the situation, something most libertarians are adamantly against.
Yet, quarantines are nothing new and were widely used by various countries before the invention of antibiotics and vaccines. Check this article, for instance:
the most lenient punishment for quarantine-breaking in the 18th century was public whipping, and I read that during Spanish flu of the 1918 in some American cities people would be shot if they dared go out. So even in the Anglosphere, the governments oof the past though less intrusive than now were hardly libertarian.
As for your second point, I think this blaming game is mostly a distraction from the real issue, that is the neo-liberal world order which is based on usury, debt and consuming. This system wasn't built by women and blaming them for all societal ills won't change it.ReplyDelete
There is a cultural aspect to it, too, which is something we can influence, and should try to change, but I doubt we can win more allies to our cause by telling women they are all sl*ts and used goods; talking about dried eggs and with the general nastiness permeating the antifeminist internet. For every screeching harpy out there there is a soyboy and a p*rn addict.
I'll give you one example: obesity and overweight. From the statistics I read, there are more overweight men than women and yet, it's presented as a uniquely female problem. And no, most fit women don't fancy an obese/overweight man, either.