Friday, July 22, 2016

A Curse Of Hypergamy?

Another Game concept is the idea that all women are "hypergamous" which as I understand, can mean several things. Number one, that 80% of all the women only desire (and have sex) with 20% of all men and the rest of the men go without sex which sometimes leads them to commit crimes and atrocities (see my previous post on the topic).

Number two, that all women desire alpha well, sex, and "beta bucks" that is, in their youth they like to fool around with "alphas" who are apparently all penniless losers so that when the women "hit the wall" (at the age of about 30 since they apparently aren't able to reproduce after this age) they suddenly demand bucks from a beta provider.

Number three, after they get married they all desire "to trade up" and will divorce their beta husband at a drop of a hat, to start chasing alphas again (though at the same time we are informed that alphas aren't interested in the "dried up" women after the ripe old age of 35, but whatever).

Now let's look at these claims more closely. The first one is obviously exaggerated as there are plenty of men who could only be described as "gamma" in Gamer terminology who manage to score with women. Of course, these women aren't exactly the "top tier" and I think herein lies the problem because the Red Pill adherents all want to have only 9s and 10s (They rate all women on the scale of 1-10). So the whole 80/20 divide sounds like a projection to me: the men are basically accusing women of trying to get a better deal out of "the sexual market place" while they are desiring the same thing themselves. They also seem to forget that women don't owe strange men sex, either.

Claim number two is somewhat closer to reality, since modern women are taught that they are sexually emancipated  many adopt male mating strategy. It's hardly a secret that it used to be pretty much expected of young men to "sow their wild oats" before settling down with a "good girl". However, this is more complicated than some "feminist imperative" dictating women what to do through their "reptilian brain". In our society, women are encouraged to be financially independent so that they don't need to lock a provider husband as quick as possible. Add to this easy availability of birth control and abortion, and illegitimacy carrying no stigma any more and you get the current situation.

As for number three, you can thank the no-fault divorce for the easy way out of marriage for both men and women.

Now many Red Pill adherents openly proclaim that the "traditional patriarchy" was a much better, stable society while on the other hand teaching men to simultaneously avoid marriage and  try to bed as many women as possible using "Game" for these purposes. They also blame women for the fact that the society has changed so much. Further on, they claim that in the past women weren't materialistic, every man had plenty of sex on demand, his choice of virginal young hotties to marry and so on and so forth.

How true are these claims? Obviously in the past there was less open sexual promiscuity since it was frowned upon and many girls did marry as virgins or had only one sexual partner whom they married later. However, this means one thing: there was less sex to go around. Of course, there was prostitution and some girls "who did it" but they weren't exactly the cream of the crop. So if something, men used to have less choice of sexual partners than they do now. Plus, chasing skirts as the only objective in life was considered caddish and severely criticised. Men were supposed to have a higher purpose in life than that.

Considering marriage, in Northern Europe both men and women traditionally married at a later age than in the USA or Southern Europe as this post of mine demonstrates. The reason for it was that the man was expected to be capable of providing for his future wife and children and unless he was independently wealthy, it took him some time to get established. The women they married weren't exactly spring chickens, either as the graph shows. Also, the idea that all the women (especially of the lower classes) stayed "young and hot" as opposed to now when we have better nutrition and dental and medical care, is hilarious. Have you ever seen the pictures of these ladies after they got 6+ children? They weren't expected to look like MILFs and they didn't.

Now divorce is really a societal scourge but who is responsible for the current mess? As far as I can gather from what I read in UK, for instance, before no-fault divorce was introduced, the presumed guilty party couldn't even start divorce proceedings. So if the woman abandoned her husband he could divorce her if he so desired, but she couldn't divorce him. Of course, she could live together with some guy but if she had a child he couldn't inherit because he was illegitimate. When UN was founded after the WWII they introduced the Declaration on the Rights of the Child, which among other things, demanded to end the difference in status between children born in wedlock and outside it.

Of course, in 1950s UK illegitimate children got the same rights as all the others. The could go to school, they could get medical help, people weren't exactly throwing stones at them, but they couldn't inherit. So erasing the stigma of illegitimacy was more about destroying the traditional family than helping children. And yet, what do Gamers propose? They teach men not to marry mothers of their children as it gives them a "whip hand" over her. They also want to abolish all the alimony and child support but they seldom talk about abolishing "no-fault" divorce or encouraging women to be housewives which gives men economic power in their marriage.

This all makes me think that they aren't really serious about restoring traditional family at all.  Some of them claim that Game used in marriage will stop the wife from divorcing her husband. Divorce is always a disaster so if it can be stopped with some Jedi mind tricks, that's fine with me. However, while it can help some individual man, society on the whole will only change when the laws change. If only all these guys spent so much energy working for a political change as they spend decrying evil Western sluts while simultaneously exchanging tips on how to get them into bed, we'd probably see the revival of Victorian morals by now.

It's really that simple.  If you are serious about restoring traditional family there are some changes to be considered, such as making all divorce fault-based with guilty party undergoing some sort of punishment for the breach of contract, reintroducing the distinction in status for children born in and outside wedlock, encouraging married women to be full time homemakers and reinstalling the provision in the family law which makes the husband the head of the family with the financial obligation to provide for his wife and children. Unless it happens, family disintegration will continue, with Game or without it.


  1. Great post. Yes, I was just thinking much of these things myself lately. I read one post written by some red-pill woman that was talking about this one guy who was having children with more than one woman at once (he was apparently keeping some kind of harem) but refused to marry them as he could get all the same rights to the children if they were illegitimate yet he wouldn't have to worry about alimony or anything as supposedly he had an ex-wife who got some alimony from him or something. I mean, how terrible. They claim they are so discriminated against and life is so unfair to them yet they go around, even with the full blessing of the law, using women and abusing them. They literally have no real responsibilities and they claim "game" is needed today whereas our grandparents didn't need it because society expected women to be "good girls" so men must constantly used emotional manipulation on women to keep them "in-line" because society won't keep them "in-line." It makes me feel so sick reading some of the crap they advocate for. I mean, it's literally abuse of women as nothing but disposable sex objects and if your girlfriend gains five pounds or, God forbid, a wrinkle appears somewhere on her forehead the "next" her already and replace her. They want women to be sl*ts yet then turn around and shame them for being so. They advocate for "gaming" extremely young and naive girls and using them and at the same time believe in traditional marriage being essential for society. It makes me sick. At least in the past girls were taught to guard their sexuality and both men and women were held to higher standards and responsibilities but now these men make it a lifestyle to take advantage of and use women despite the long term damage to these women, their offspring, and society as a whole. I mean, most young girls and women don't know any better and most are completely unaware of what men are really thinking and also completely unaware of their sexual power. They prey on the young, innocent, weak and broken then act like they are real "alpha" men when in reality all they are are losers with no purpose or direction in life who are creating a broken society for themselves and future generations.

  2. The point is, life in traditional society wasn't easier for men at all. Above working class, men were expected to provide not only for their wives and mothers, but also sisters, aunts, female cousins and their brothers' widows. Pornography in the 1930 was strictly prohibited by law. If you made a girl pregnant, you were expected to marry. There was no abortion on demand and few contraception options. Working week for men was longer. If you divorced your wife without a good reason she could get life-long alimony. It wasn't some Playboy dream society, not at all.

    And though it was wildly understood that (some) men had predatory nature they were expected to restrict themselves to "certain types of women" not go around seducing young naive girls.

    Traditional society expected women to be chaste, so in this sense they were controlled. Gamers, at least, some of them, tend to propose exactly the opposite which is strange.

  3. I meant which is strange considering they simultaneously claim they want to restore the traditional society. As for controlling your wife with game...There is a reason feminists so fanatically push economic independence for women and girls as they understand perfectly well that money is power. A traditional housewife with 4-5 children doesn't exactly have many options in the "marriage market" and unless she was married to a Berlusconi, won't get much money after divorce, either and she knows it which makes her value her husband and want to please him.

    I do agree with some of the Gamers' claims that modern American Christianity is often feminised and turns men into disgusting wimps so that their wives lose all the respect for their husbands and file for divorce. I don't know a solution for this, may be find a better church? However, churches are getting liberal because the society is so liberal, not vice versa.

  4. Hypergamy is utter rubbish invented by amateur evo/psych players trying to justify their own behavior.

  5. I wonder how the Gamers explain guys like Charles Manson. He's anything but an Alpha and seems to have no trouble getting younger women to follow him, even today. He certainly wasn't committing crimes because he was INCEL. Neither was Ted Bundy or Joran van der Sloot.

  6. I must admit that I also came upon hypergamy being explained as women who want to marry up. This I find the most puzzling of all since in the traditional society, which these folks supposedly wish to restore women were often expected to "marry well", especially by their family. I just don't get it how one can claim to believe two opposite things at the same time.

    What particularly gets me, is how they criticise feminists then turn around and say exactly the same thing feminists do: like marriage is slavery, housewives are leeches, having children out of wedlock is liberation. It's mind-boggling.

  7. NW, as far as I understand, for Gamers any man who gets enough female attention is an alpha. I have always understood that alphas are leaders of men and that is what attracts women in the first place.

    Also, if hypergamy=marrying up then how are women chasing penniless losers hypergamous?

    It happens not because of some female imperative, but because our society doesn't value chastity and women are economically independent so they don't really have "to save themselves" for the marriage with a good man.

    BTW< women used to be "controlled" by their own families and more often than not, the female part of it. Men have really no business to try and control strange women and they certainly won't achieve it by having sex with these women.

  8. Housewife from FinlandJuly 28, 2016 at 5:04 AM

    I have always wondered, who are these women these men can play their little Games with? I have read those Game-articles and really, there is no man in this world who could manipulate me in such a cheap way. I do not know a single woman who was that stupid.

    So the women they interact with must be very, very low-class. Very beta. They may have degrees from university, but I bet that those men have nevere seen a true alpha woman in their lives. And that is why they have so fucked-up opinions (pardon my french.)

  9. Probably college students. In The USA they have a reputation to be incredibly slutty or so I was told.

  10. I should add that I actually could care less what a bunch of strange guys in America are doing with their lives, though in my time (and it wasn't so long ago) young men usually managed to figure out all this seduction stuff on their own; however, they claim they want to restore the patriarchy when the sort of stuff they promote is at best some sort of Middle Eastern patriarchy and at worst resembles the relationship between Gorean masters and their female slaves plus they bash housewives just as much (if not more) than the feminists. Unfortunately, some folks on the Right fall for it and think that that's how things used to be before liberalism took over. Makes me want to repeat the words of the Professor from Narnia books: What are they teaching them in those schools?