Well, since some of my readers want to talk about s8x, I'm happy to oblige:)
Is s8x important in marriage? Apparently, there exists some controversy about this issue. For a valid marriage to take place, traditionally it had to be consummated (i.e. the husband and wife were supposed to have s8x with each other). Even in medieval times, one could get an annulment if the consummation didn't happen.
Before Vatican II the Catholic Church taught married women it was their duty to give s8x to their husbands under the penalty of mortal sin. And in the predominantly Protestant countries such as the USA the husband could get a divorce if his wife refused to fulfill her "marital duties" (mentioned in "Gone With The Wind").
However. S8x was tied to reproduction. Martin Luther thought that practicing contraception is worse than incest and called those who don't want to have children pigs and monsters. The Roman Catholic Church taught (and still does) that using anti-conception was sinful (they kinda allow the natural fertility stuff nowadays, with caveats). And in the 1920 USA when all divorce was based on fault, there was a case of a woman who was granted a divorce because her husband used contraception and thus denied her offspring.
And if you didn't want to have children, then pity, but no s8x for you. I'm not saying here that it was the correct approach, just giving you some information to think about.
Further on, in the times when the wives were expected to "do their duty" men were expected to do theirs and provide, something many modern young men don't exactly fancy doing. They prefer to hang around, watch Netflix and breastfeed to working hard and supporting their family. Because marriage isn't about duty nowadays, but about something else entirely. Hence all the problems we can see around us.
There is something else which is interesting. Since Victorian times there is this idea that men have animal nature while women are all pure and angelic and have to submit to their husbands' whims while basically having no pleasure (the famous "lie back and think of England stuff). It didn't use to be like this before and it's not typical outside of the West. For instance, there was this man in India who became famous because he married and fathered children in his 90s. He told to the newspaper that he could do it several times per day and that his wife was very pleased.
While Victorian morals disappeared long ago, the idea that s8x is a chore and a burden for women somehow still persists. It shouldn't be like this, obviously. But the idea that s8x fixes all marital problems is wrong, too. In fact, I knew women whose husbands divorced them despite s8x being good. Because everything else was bad. In the end of the day, s8x is only one aspect of a healthy marriage so we shouldn't make an idol out of it.
That's all for today, feel free to leave a comment;)
Not a bad post, but when it comes to young men, you need to get out more and recognize what is happening. I'm well past the young man stage, but these days at least in the US there is not many reason for most men to invest in the system anymore. That means society in general and almost any church. These idiotic young women who you know, are mature right out of the vagina and have zero faults (I realize this is not your view, just making a point) have some pretty stupid demands on income expectations while voting for more socialist/communist BS.
ReplyDeleteWhile I'm not ugly, my income level would not make me attractive to most women around my age. I'm past the half way mark in life, so an old white guy like me getting a 'high paying' job is about as likely as me dating a super model.
Another issue to consider is that AI/AI robots and these job saving systems for lack of a better description are going to make getting a job very interesting for millions and billions of us out in the world. So I don't think it's an issue of a good man not wanting to provide to a woman that treats him well, it's an issue of that these jobs are not in plentiful supply.
As for the bedroom stuff, I liked nothing better than holding hands with my lady when in public and spending time on the weekends together which made her a more giving person in other ways. I liked cooking for her and bringing her some flowers once in a while.
Part 1
ReplyDeleteIt boils down to this. What men and women expect and need are completely different. It is the same reason why there is such a massive argument about virginity and why men and women do not see eye to eye.
The truth of the matter is both genders need, not just want, but need two different things. For Men we need sex, a physical intimacy. To men a marriage without sex is practically dead. Frustration will continue to mount as will eventually anger the more often he is refused by his wife, and he will start being tempted to look elsewhere.
For women they need attention and validation. Just as men need sex and physical intimacy, women need to be given attention and validation. Oh sure they like sex too, but if her husband doesn't pay attention to her or give her validation, so too does she get tempted to get it elsewhere.
Again men and women are different, take the arguing about virginity. Men if we were willing to be honest would put its priority in the top three features to look for in a wife. For women, they do not consider it a priority because to them it is not that important and thus do not seem to understand why men prioritize it so much. Frankly it must seem like hypocrisy to them because a guy who gets many women is celebrated, but a woman who sleeps around is a whore.
The thing is, once again different priorities. In this case it is quite literally because we were designed to be this way. I have no proof, but I will stand by this until Jesus returns, that the Lord designed us this way to tie men and women together.
Women take great pleasure in their baby's first steps, first words, first more or less everything. They get quite angry if they miss it, or couldn't be there due to having to work. The same is true for men except of our wives. We take great joy in being her first, to show her things, to experience things with her. Not just sex, but nearly anything. We love showing her the world, even if its our first time too. I say that I believe the Lord designed us this way for this next bit. Women, not men, but women tend to latch on tightly to their teachers. To those who show them things. There is a reason many young women's first crush was a teacher in school. There is a reason why a woman who has been with a hundred men will still think back to the very first man she was ever with. This was supposed to be between husband and wife, a way to bind the couple together long enough for a marriage to form properly.
Part 2
ReplyDeleteInstead we have today. Men still desire virgin women, but they are extraordinarily rare. Statistics put the virginity rate of women coming out of college at 5%. This means that by the time they leave college 19 of every 20 women has already had her first time, often her first in many things, not just in sex. This means by the time she gets around to marriage there is nothing left for her husband to experience with her, to create the latching on effect the pair bonding. Instead she will have memories of the men she slept with or did stuff with to continuously compare against her husband until eventually he fails.
But it gets worse. Women view men's desire for virgins as hypocrisy. After all men are celebrated when they have multiple women, but the reverse is not true. But there are two things that are constantly ignored.
First the women themselves prefer men with at least some experience (someone to teach them), they have constantly told the world they do not want virgins for husbands. Heck its one of the main insults tossed at men they find unattractive. Secondly women could get a man to sleep with her in 15 minutes. A guy on the other hand has to hit multiple criteria to have a chance with a single women, much less more. So to men a guy getting multiple women is maybe not something to celebrate, but it is an admirable achievement as long as it was done honestly. Because he had to beat so many challenges. A woman however who sleeps around is considered worthless by men because she has quite literally thrown away her worth.
What care do men have for a woman's education, her job, her finances, her achievements. They mean less than dust to men. Because those are all things women desire in men, they are not what men desire in women. And by sleeping around a woman effectively wipes out any value she has as a potential wife. After all to a man honor and respect are big things, and a wife who has been passed around .... well it is the equivalent of marrying a prostitute. Short of being actively cucked, you can't get much more dishonored than that in terms of your wife.
Here where I live we have literally br8thels everywhere and plenty of women in pubs/night clubs and internet who will f888 on the first date. I don't see this horrible lack of s8x American men keep telling me about. May be in your country it's different, I don't know.
DeleteAlso modern young men are very much interested in a woman's finances and achievements. Because many of them aren't planning to work full time or support her and the kids.
Part 3
ReplyDeleteFrankly the whole thing is a mess. Normally I tend to side with slapping both sides and telling both to do better. With this issue, without women fixing their issues things will continue to go downhill until eventually someone says enough and strips them of all rights. What we are seeing right now is men having enough. There is a phrase I have heard and agree with.
"Young men are expected to put in four times the effort of their grandfathers, for women who are worth four times less than their grandmothers."
So that is my $0.02 And I'll be honest, it kind of feels like its being shouted into the void really. We are watching .... well I was going to say white civilization die, but in reality, the same pattern is taking place in every nation in the world currently.
A watchman channel I watch tossed out a thought a few weeks ago. He pondered that what we might be seeing is God's mercy. By looking at the signs we are near the rapture and the Great Tribulation. His thought was that the Lord was willing to allow this to happen so those who go through it would do so with as few children as possible. Not that he won't take the children with the saved, but to keep the young men and women from being too distracted from grief to pay attention to save their lives and souls in what is to come.
And that is my final $0.02 I kind of got carried away a bit there, but honestly to me its like watching a train wreck in progress. You know its gone off the rails, but you can also see people who just can't seem to acknowledge that things are falling apart around them.
- W
Post Note : I should mention "I knew women whose husbands divorced them despite s8x being good. Because everything else was bad." I don't disagree, but as I stated above the majority of those marriages that things get that bad is because either there is no sex (men) or no attention and validation (women). There of course are plenty of other issues too, but those seem to be the broadest categories.
Post Note : I didn't realize how long this actually was and was forced to break it up.
It looks like Part 2 Vanished, so I'm reposting it.
ReplyDeleteInstead we have today. Men still desire virgin women, but they are extraordinarily rare. Statistics put the virginity rate of women coming out of college at 5%. This means that by the time they leave college 19 of every 20 women has already had her first time, often her first in many things, not just in sex. This means by the time she gets around to marriage there is nothing left for her husband to experience with her, to create the latching on effect the pair bonding. Instead she will have memories of the men she slept with or did stuff with to continuously compare against her husband until eventually he fails.
But it gets worse. Women view men's desire for virgins as hypocrisy. After all men are celebrated when they have multiple women, but the reverse is not true. But there are two things that are constantly ignored.
First the women themselves prefer men with at least some experience (someone to teach them), they have constantly told the world they do not want virgins for husbands. Heck its one of the main insults tossed at men they find unattractive. Secondly women could get a man to sleep with her in 15 minutes. A guy on the other hand has to hit multiple criteria to have a chance with a single women, much less more. So to men a guy getting multiple women is maybe not something to celebrate, but it is an admirable achievement as long as it was done honestly. Because he had to beat so many challenges. A woman however who sleeps around is considered worthless by men because she has quite literally thrown away her worth.
What care do men have for a woman's education, her job, her finances, her achievements. They mean less than dust to men. Because those are all things women desire in men, they are not what men desire in women. And by sleeping around a woman effectively wipes out any value she has as a potential wife. After all to a man honor and respect are big things, and a wife who has been passed around .... well it is the equivalent of marrying a prostitute. Short of being actively cucked, you can't get much more dishonored than that in terms of your wife.
My response is above
DeleteThe jobs and incomes are not there anymore for man or woman to support themselves.
ReplyDeleteThe End Of Our World Is Coming As Americans Struggle Like Never Before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4O1CUy5yOw
Hi, I read your comments but had no time today so I'll answer tomorrow:)
ReplyDeleteTexan, thank you for the link, I'll check it when I have time:)
ReplyDeleteConsidering your other point. When I speak of providing I don't mean on some grand level, but just the normal stuff. It's quite possible over here still, but young people (both men and women) have very unrealistic expectations. You see , they were taught about rights but not about duties.
There is another thing. They recently introduced paid "paternity leave" for men over here. You lose about 1/3 of your salary and obviously when a man is the breadwinner he wouldn't do it, but the younger generation men don't really mind hanging around at home while the wifey is out there slaying dragons. That's millenials for you, zoomers of both s8xes hardly want to work at all. The last generation men normally employed are GenX, when they retire, the whole country will fall apart.
All the while the government is beating war drums and talking about draft, mind you for both boys AND girls. Which will obviously bring the total fertility rate (which is already lower than Russia, a country at war) even lower. Well, I guess we always can import more Nigerians, they marry at 18 and have 5 kids on average. Then everybody will go vote Right-wing parties and complain about immigration some more, while failing to reproduce. This society is in terminal decline. But the problem is not AI, it's lack of faith.
Anonymous, first, I don't believe in Rapture and as for end times, the Scriptures tell us nobody except the Father knows when the day comes. It could be tomorrow it could be over 1000 years. Western society is in decline because it is ruled by a hostile elite. But if we go down (which, frankly, we kinda deserve at this point), the world will not end. There are other countries which will take over. Christianity is a global religion by now, and there are probably more believers in non-Western countries than in Europe (the USA appears to be in a somewhat better shape).
ReplyDeleteSecond. I'm not sure if you are are married yourself. Because there are so many things which could go wrong besides not having s8x, you know. Also, Europe being much more secular, it's easy for men to find s8x literally everywhere and they have fewer hangups about it. There are other things which they often lack such as companionship or the wife being a good follower or something else.
The above anons were me;)
ReplyDeleteFirst before I respond, would you mind checking to see if there was any comments blocked or that the website might have decreed were spam. I posted part 2 of my comment twice, and both times it appeared to be up, but when I refreshed the page they had vanished. I don’t recall putting anything that might auto trigger the website to ban it, so I’m not sure what’s up with that.
DeleteOk, so my reply to the second bit. I fully acknowledge that there are many things that can go wrong in a marriage, but the main premises of this in the opening post was specifically about is s8x important in marriage. As I was attempting to put, it is extremely important to men, without s8x for a man there is very little reason to marry anyone. My point is that women do not seem to understand this. As men we understand that attention and validation are the equivalent of this to women. That if we do not pay attention to them and validate them in a marriage they will be very tempted to stray. My point is that women seem to be blind to the same fact. That or they really don’t care about keeping their husbands and their marriages happy or intact.
I will note here, that please not don’t conflate this as my speaking about all women. However the majority seem to be utterly blind to this. As can be seen by the statistics of sexless marriages shortly after the wedding.
As to Europe. ….. Its hard to explain this without being accused of putting Christian viewpoints into play. But in this case Christian viewpoints only amplify what is already there.
This is another blindspot women have. I think this one might have been in comment 2. But if it wasn’t allow me to explain. To men there are two types of women. Wives, and Entertainment. (The wording could have been better, but the point remains.) All women start in the wife category. Over their lives they can end up in the entertainment category, once there, they cannot go back.
So your comment about it being easy for men to find s8x in Europe is likely true as I am not European. However, every single one of those women by their very actions has disqualified herself from being a wife. Some might, might make it if they lie to men about their body count, but most will be single or single mothers for the rest of their lives.
In the case of Europe, it is likely they are having the same issue we are having in the US and Cannada where there is a massive lack of women qualified to be wives. No man wants to marry a prostitute or a whore. The very idea is physically nauseating and revolting. And what is particularly frustrating about this is that women do not understand this, then get angry and confused when men don’t want to marry them.
- W
This is W, would you mind checking to see if any posts were labeled as spam or blocked. I put out Part 2 on my first comment twice on the 21st, and then replied to part of your comment today. All three upped and vanished. I still have them saved as I had to break up the one on the 21st in a word document, and I was using word in case it happened again for in any post today.
DeleteThank you. - W
Anon W, Google doesn't seem to like multiple anonymous comments. I found yours and published them. Yes, there is a lack of wives. But there is also a lack of husbands i.e men who would like to take any sort of responsibility for their future family. Families with traditionally minded sons and daughters hav to encourage them to look for marriage partners abroad. That's how bad it is.
DeleteAt least here in the US, I would blame the Christian churches for some of what you speak of. If they would marry young people off while in college or working with some community relationship support and put effort into that instead of telling young men that they suck for wanting companionship which young women may want as well, that would be way more helpful to humanity. No, they just throw young people out with no guidance other than at best some dumb religious stuff.
DeleteI find it interesting you really believe there all these men that don't want to 'take responsibility.' What about the women who should take responsibility to help support him in his efforts?
So where is that resident Catholic anti-intimacy scold Blanca to comment and lecture us about the evils of physical intimacy? I despise this person base on her past ignorant comments.
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How Conservatives TRICK YOU into Marrying Modern Women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gJIFhDhrJA
Texan, yes, churches are feminist. They have to basically, to survive in the modern society. It doesn't really do them credit, but the governments in Western countries are growing quite oppressive and nobody wants to be a martyr. Heck, Christians can't even stop watching heathen entertainment such as Netflix. Again you shouldn't complain as in your country there is still more freedom of the word and religious freedom and you have pastors such as Steven Anderson. But notice how some of his own children denounced him when they became adults. Whatever you think of him, he is allowed to preach in the USA but was denied the entry visa to the EU and Australia, I think.
ReplyDeleteAs for your 2nd point. Young men around me literally refuse to work full time because the poor dears would get a burnout. Some don't work at all and profit from parents and girlfriends. They can't use any tools. They are married with children and if the domestic appliances break down then they call daddy to help them choose a new one. Mommy and daddy come and clean their houses and work in their gardens. They complain that their only child who spends most of their time in some care arrangement is too much to handle. The heaviest thing many of them ever lifted was a pencil. Jobs like construction are filled with foreigners while local guys choose to be a fitness instructor or a social worker.
There were men from Portugal and other countries coming to work in the havens here. These type of jobs pay very well. Our neighbour supported his family on his income alone and working hours were short. But they couldn't even fill these jobs because they are heavy and local young men are afraid to break a nail.
I will tell you a true story of a guy around 18-19 who was coming home on a bicycle and then it started raining and he went and called his mommy to come fetch him with a car. My husband had to bicycle 10 km to secondary school in any sort of weather and used to work 60 hours a week when he was younger. I heartily despise these so-called men and I have a full right to.
P.S. I'll check your link when I have time
I had to look up Steven there and I have viewed some of his videos but it's been a long time.
DeleteYou are right so far about freedom of speech and such here in the USA. We are still far ahead of Europe in these areas but it does concern me about the future. There is talk about this digital ID but Americans are too stupid to call for the abolition of the TSA at the airports and go back to what it was in the 1990s. But nothing like a facilitated terrorist attack featuring controlled demolition of a well known landmark in a major city to get the sheep in line.
Sorry about video links, but he did make some good points about the American economy. I live with a parent for now since I won't be owning real estate for a while. At least I have a good enough job with health insurance. The shelves at the grocery stores are full even in rural areas, but at some point it won't mean much if people can't pay rent, utilities, and have money left over for groceries. I'd say at this point even those who are not spendthrifts are having issues.
Sadly, we have a Congress that won't meaningfully cut spending and while Trump does some things I like supporting billions to some cloth cap people because of six gorillion or some such nonsense is not one of them.
Regarding the lack of effort by young men, I understand your point. I'm GenX and ended up going to a lower tier university for a degree in engineering which was not that all that profitable by the way, but I had different jobs. I grew up on 5 acres so experienced planting a garden, repairing a car or tractor, oil change, etc. I unloaded trucks a couple summers at WalMart and a Target. Worked two summers at an agricultural research station somewhat outside and sampled grain trucks one summer (got some nice abs for a brief time). I also mowed some friend and neighbors lawns for some cash. So I know manual labor.
DeleteIn my late 40's, having STEM and experience being considered worthless because corporate America wants to whine about a 'lack of skillz laborz,' I was apprentice electrician for a few months with an older family owned company in the area. I was not totally out of shape, but damn, I could not imagine doing that for 20 years. I did learn some cool stuff though and this company was run by Boomers, so they made quality work and safety a priority.
Yeah this nonsense started with Millennials and it's only getting worse. When the last GenXer retires it will all come crashing down;)
DeleteP.P.S and that's why many of these guys can't find a girlfriend. Because normal women don't like 88y nerds.
ReplyDeletehttps://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/68-percent-of-americans-consider-the-condition-of-the-economy-to-be-poor-as-millions-of-u-s-consumers-reach-their-breaking-points
ReplyDeleteTexan, you don't have to apologise about the links it's just that I need to find some time to watch them;)
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